Professional Football Researchers Association Forum

JohnTurney wrote:http://www.sportingnews.com/list/465183 ... ide/345065

Thoughts:

-Jerry Kramer at least makes reasonable sense to include.

-hate when they list folks who have been only eligible briefly, most of whom will get in within a couple years, such as Terrell Owens, Joe Jacoby, Morton Anderson, and Terrell Davis. I don't really consider folks like this "snubs." They're all in the finalist pipeline now and should get in

-while I think one could argue in favor of L.C. Greenwood, Jerry Smith, and Drew Pearson for the HoF. I don't see that they're necessarily in a top 10 snubs list. Make it about 20-25 or so players, and then maybe so.

-re Roger Craig. He's one of those players who won't break me up if he never gets in. His peak is pretty short and not anywhere near that of, for example, a real peak candidate like Terrell Davis of Sterling Sharpe. And if he were the first RB who was also an excellent receiver, maybe so, but he wasn't (see Frank Gifford and Lenny Moore for two).

-given that all of Paul Hornung, Bobby Layne, Joe Schmidt, and Ken Stabler are now in the Hall; that he grades out really well in film study at Ken Crippen's site; and that he has respectable honors at 4/4/60s, am coming around on Alex Karras for the HoF. But again, not sure he belongs in a top-10 list.

-as usual, no Super Senior type options such as Dilweg, Slater, or Wistert, folks who are clear top-10 snubs and could use the exposure. And except for Kramer, no really serious snubs like Chuck Howley or Johnny Robinson.

bachslunch wrote:-as usual, no Super Senior type options such as Dilweg, Slater, or Wistert, folks who are clear top-10 snubs and could use the exposure. And except for Kramer, no really serious snubs like Chuck Howley or Johnny Robinson.

Rather see any PFRA members top-10 list than these type of articles which I don't view as serious - since I doubt the author(s) ever put any effort into them. Just filler content to crank out.

Reaser wrote: Rather see any PFRA members top-10 list than these type of articles which I don't view as serious - since I doubt the author(s) ever put any effort into them. Just filler content to crank out.

Okay, here's a try: Al Wistert, Lavvie Dilweg, Duke Slater, Johnny Robinson, Chuck Howley, Billy Howton, Kenny Easley, Harold Jackson, Jerry Kramer, Maxie Baughan.

bachslunch wrote:Okay, here's a try: Al Wistert, Lavvie Dilweg, Duke Slater, Johnny Robinson, Chuck Howley, Billy Howton, Kenny Easley, Harold Jackson, Jerry Kramer, Maxie Baughan.

See? Infinitely better than the SN 'attempt' ...

I'd definitely have Sterling Sharpe on there. Tyrer would be on my list but doesn't really matter since he's got a 0% chance for 'other' reasons.

My top 10 snubs:

Slater

Jim Tyrer

Dilweg

Wistert

Kramer

Johnny Robinson

Gradishar

Lemar Parrish

Eddie Meador

Lester Hayes

10 in no particular order:

1 Ox Emerson
2 George Christensen,
3 Verne Lewellen,
4 LaVern Dilweg,
5 Duke Slater,
6 Red Dunn,
7 Glenn Presnell,
8 Ace Gutowsky,
9 Tony Latone,
10 Swede Youngstrom

TanksAndSpartans wrote:10 in no particular order:

1 Ox Emerson
2 George Christensen,
3 Verne Lewellen,
4 LaVern Dilweg,
5 Duke Slater,
6 Red Dunn,
7 Glenn Presnell,
8 Ace Gutowsky,
9 Tony Latone,
10 Swede Youngstrom

good list, I would order them differently, but OX is in my top 2, Dilweg and Slater in my top 4.

Do you guys think Spec Sanders is more deserving than Latone?

Versatile John wrote:Do you guys think Spec Sanders is more deserving than Latone?

FWIW, Spec Sanders tied with Dick Stanfel for the lowest film study score at Ken Crippen's website at 7.4.