That's a great photo of Jim Brown at Franklin Field. Back in 2012 when we had our meeting at NFL Films I took a detour on the way home & stopped in Philly for some sight seeing. I went to the Palestra and Franklin Field among other places (YO Adrian!) I sat in the seats at Franklin Field and in my mind I could see the 1960 NFL Championship game.Bryan wrote:I love the old Franklin Field photos...here is one of Jim Brown standing on the sidelines.
Awhile back, I visited the old Balboa Stadium that the Chargers had used in the 1960's. The stadium had been almost completely demolished...only the field and the first set of sideline seats remained (capacity 3,000 versus the old capacity of 34,000). I always thought Balboa looked neat with the stone arches:
The old Municipal Stadium in Kansas City had terrible lighting, which led to some interesting photos:
What old stadiums do you miss?
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
Did Taylor break free of Bednarik?nicefellow31 wrote: I sat in the seats at Franklin Field and in my mind I could see the 1960 NFL Championship game.
Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
I liked Kezar Stadium especially the sea gulls. In 2007, I walked around in what is left of the stadium.
Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
Franklin Field was built 1895, fully completed 1905, expanded in 1920s, oldest still used in NCAA. First scoreboard was installed there. 1st flea flicker from place kick formation: 10/31/1925 Illinois 24-2 at Penn, Franklin Field
The first football radio broadcast originated from Franklin Field in 1922, though one was broadcast from Forbes Field in 1921. In 1939, the first commercial TV broadcast from there, though who watched I am unsure. First NFL stadium to use Astroturf (1969).
In 1925, Red Grange rushed for 331 yards for Illinois against Penn. The Army-Navy game was played there 19 times.
"On August 23, 1958, the first Canadian Football League game played on American soil between two Canadian teams was played at Franklin Field, as the Hamilton Tiger-Cats defeated the Ottawa Rough Riders, 13-7."
The Philadelphia Stars (USFL) played two playoff games there.
NFL Commissioner Bell died there.
FDR accepted the 1936 Democratic Party presidential nomination at Franklin Field.
Connie Mack Field (Shibe Park) was another famous venue for the Eagles.
The first football radio broadcast originated from Franklin Field in 1922, though one was broadcast from Forbes Field in 1921. In 1939, the first commercial TV broadcast from there, though who watched I am unsure. First NFL stadium to use Astroturf (1969).
In 1925, Red Grange rushed for 331 yards for Illinois against Penn. The Army-Navy game was played there 19 times.
"On August 23, 1958, the first Canadian Football League game played on American soil between two Canadian teams was played at Franklin Field, as the Hamilton Tiger-Cats defeated the Ottawa Rough Riders, 13-7."
The Philadelphia Stars (USFL) played two playoff games there.
NFL Commissioner Bell died there.
FDR accepted the 1936 Democratic Party presidential nomination at Franklin Field.
Connie Mack Field (Shibe Park) was another famous venue for the Eagles.
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BD Sullivan
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
Don't forget the booing of Santa Claus in 1968.luckyshow wrote:Franklin Field was built 1895, fully completed 1905, expanded in 1920s, oldest still used in NCAA. First scoreboard was installed there. 1st flea flicker from place kick formation: 10/31/1925 Illinois 24-2 at Penn, Franklin Field
The first football radio broadcast originated from Franklin Field in 1922, though one was broadcast from Forbes Field in 1921. In 1939, the first commercial TV broadcast from there, though who watched I am unsure. First NFL stadium to use Astroturf (1969).
In 1925, Red Grange rushed for 331 yards for Illinois against Penn. The Army-Navy game was played there 19 times.
"On August 23, 1958, the first Canadian Football League game played on American soil between two Canadian teams was played at Franklin Field, as the Hamilton Tiger-Cats defeated the Ottawa Rough Riders, 13-7."
The Philadelphia Stars (USFL) played two playoff games there.
NFL Commissioner Bell died there.
FDR accepted the 1936 Democratic Party presidential nomination at Franklin Field.
Connie Mack Field (Shibe Park) was another famous venue for the Eagles.
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
by luckyshow » Sat Aug 29, 2015 7:28 pm
"Yankee Stadium (the old one, only one they ever payed in)..."
and
by BD Sullivan » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:13 am
"... I liked the fact that Municipal had the local advertising on huge billboards, as you can see from the attached photo."
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L-R:
~ unknown -
~ Coca-Cola - Coke was also famous for providing nearly half the high school scoreboards in the East.
~ Burma Shave - their signs along the highways and railroad tracks of America made traveling fun.
~ National Airlines / Florida - Cuba -
the fare was cheaper to Florida so the hijackers bought the Florida ticket and went to Cuba anyway.
Soon, this became so popular that the NY-Florida flights of Eastern Airlines and Northeast Airlines (Yellowbird)
were also directed to Cuba.
~ Tidewater Oil Corporation - once part of the "Seven Sisters" - also symbolized by a "flying red horse"
~ Probably Winston Cigarettes - although Charlie was the "Marlboro Man," Giff said "Light up a Lucky,"
and Rosey Brown advertised Chesterfield.
~ Manhattan Shirts - made by Gant and a cut above Arrow but Gant made a better garment for the likes of Brooks Brothers.
Sero was a Gant competitor.
~ Seagrams 7 - note: not Crown Royal. The football fan was a beer or 7&7 guy until tailgating became the thing with the NFL.
Then they began to prissy up to the sparkling water and a bit of the "bubbly"...
~ Mobil Oil Corporation - another offshoot of Standard Oil and member of the "Seven Sisters."
~ space for rent
~ and... moving on to the right, the Longines (Watch Company) scoreboard.
In the early days of TV there was a big BALLANTINE sign beneath the scoreboard lights and it was known as
"The Ballantine three-Ring Scoreboard." The Longines name was always on the clock.
P.S. The "Seven Sisters" had more than seven members. They were American oil companies that ruled the international market.
OPEC became the biggest "trust-buster" in the history of commerce.
The "subway / elevated railway" was the IRT Pelham Bay line. Yes; the same line made famous in the film
"The Taking of Pelham 123."
The stop was "161st Street / Yankee Stadium" and the train continued to Pelham Bay Park. When the Giants - BB and FB -
played at the Polo Grounds, one would detrain northbound (Right to Left is Northbound) and cross under the tracks
to the Southbound side where a special two-car "shuttle" ran across the island to the Polo Ground - ONLY on game days.
The "station" was the area with the windows and was on 161st Street - three blocks up the hill to the right was
the famous Concourse Plaza Hotel. It was legendary for hosting wedding-type affairs. Many of the Yankees and Giants
had rooms or suites there in season, some lived there year-'round, and the visiting teams all stayed there.
Before it became too dangerous to do so, many of the players walked "home" after a game. The best place for autographs
was on the west side of Grand Concourse (just a wide avenue) where they would have to wait for the light before crossing.
And finally, yes; you could stand on the station platform and see most of the game. Even on weekends, you were seldom chased.
And... the only reason they would chase people was when the crowd was too large and there was a danger on someone falling
to the tracks where they could get fried if they touched the "third rail" which carried the electricity or could fall through
the tracks to the street below.
The picture of the Concourse Plaza is pretty much as it was then and remains today.
The cut-away photo of Yankee Stadium is much more recent and shows the "baseball only" renovated Stadium.
Note:
1. - a new system of lighting all around the roof of the upper deck.
2. - an "overhang" of the advertising billboards constructed to prevent viewing from the elevated subway platform.
3. - the magnificence of the Concourse Plaza Hotel in the background. The large building is the Bronx Courthouse.
4. - "blackened" area of bleachers is never sold for baseball. It is dark as a background used by batters.
The area to the left of it can be sold for baseball. Everything can be sold for prize fights or hockey.
"Yankee Stadium (the old one, only one they ever payed in)..."
and
by BD Sullivan » Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:13 am
"... I liked the fact that Municipal had the local advertising on huge billboards, as you can see from the attached photo."
-----
L-R:
~ unknown -
~ Coca-Cola - Coke was also famous for providing nearly half the high school scoreboards in the East.
~ Burma Shave - their signs along the highways and railroad tracks of America made traveling fun.
~ National Airlines / Florida - Cuba -
the fare was cheaper to Florida so the hijackers bought the Florida ticket and went to Cuba anyway.
Soon, this became so popular that the NY-Florida flights of Eastern Airlines and Northeast Airlines (Yellowbird)
were also directed to Cuba.
~ Tidewater Oil Corporation - once part of the "Seven Sisters" - also symbolized by a "flying red horse"
~ Probably Winston Cigarettes - although Charlie was the "Marlboro Man," Giff said "Light up a Lucky,"
and Rosey Brown advertised Chesterfield.
~ Manhattan Shirts - made by Gant and a cut above Arrow but Gant made a better garment for the likes of Brooks Brothers.
Sero was a Gant competitor.
~ Seagrams 7 - note: not Crown Royal. The football fan was a beer or 7&7 guy until tailgating became the thing with the NFL.
Then they began to prissy up to the sparkling water and a bit of the "bubbly"...
~ Mobil Oil Corporation - another offshoot of Standard Oil and member of the "Seven Sisters."
~ space for rent
~ and... moving on to the right, the Longines (Watch Company) scoreboard.
In the early days of TV there was a big BALLANTINE sign beneath the scoreboard lights and it was known as
"The Ballantine three-Ring Scoreboard." The Longines name was always on the clock.
P.S. The "Seven Sisters" had more than seven members. They were American oil companies that ruled the international market.
OPEC became the biggest "trust-buster" in the history of commerce.
The "subway / elevated railway" was the IRT Pelham Bay line. Yes; the same line made famous in the film
"The Taking of Pelham 123."
The stop was "161st Street / Yankee Stadium" and the train continued to Pelham Bay Park. When the Giants - BB and FB -
played at the Polo Grounds, one would detrain northbound (Right to Left is Northbound) and cross under the tracks
to the Southbound side where a special two-car "shuttle" ran across the island to the Polo Ground - ONLY on game days.
The "station" was the area with the windows and was on 161st Street - three blocks up the hill to the right was
the famous Concourse Plaza Hotel. It was legendary for hosting wedding-type affairs. Many of the Yankees and Giants
had rooms or suites there in season, some lived there year-'round, and the visiting teams all stayed there.
Before it became too dangerous to do so, many of the players walked "home" after a game. The best place for autographs
was on the west side of Grand Concourse (just a wide avenue) where they would have to wait for the light before crossing.
And finally, yes; you could stand on the station platform and see most of the game. Even on weekends, you were seldom chased.
And... the only reason they would chase people was when the crowd was too large and there was a danger on someone falling
to the tracks where they could get fried if they touched the "third rail" which carried the electricity or could fall through
the tracks to the street below.
The picture of the Concourse Plaza is pretty much as it was then and remains today.
The cut-away photo of Yankee Stadium is much more recent and shows the "baseball only" renovated Stadium.
Note:
1. - a new system of lighting all around the roof of the upper deck.
2. - an "overhang" of the advertising billboards constructed to prevent viewing from the elevated subway platform.
3. - the magnificence of the Concourse Plaza Hotel in the background. The large building is the Bronx Courthouse.
4. - "blackened" area of bleachers is never sold for baseball. It is dark as a background used by batters.
The area to the left of it can be sold for baseball. Everything can be sold for prize fights or hockey.
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"It was a different game when I played.
When a player made a good play, he didn't jump up and down.
Those kinds of plays were expected."
~ Arnie Weinmeister
When a player made a good play, he didn't jump up and down.
Those kinds of plays were expected."
~ Arnie Weinmeister
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
Did you ever go to a game in Milwaukee? State Fair Park was an awful place to watch a football game and Milwaukee County Stadium wasn't much of an improvement.JuggernautJ wrote:I miss seeing the Packers play in Milwaukee.
And I miss any stadium that was replaced by one with an artificial surface.
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
After riding underground for about a half hour from Grand Central Station, the subway became anoldecapecod11 wrote:[
The "subway / elevated railway" was the IRT Pelham Bay line. Yes; the same line made famous in the film
"The Taking of Pelham 123."
The stop was "161st Street / Yankee Stadium" .
outdoor elevated train shortly before the 161st Station stop. As a kid it was always a big thrill when the
train came outdoors because you could see the Stadium. I believe Billy Crystal had a line in one
of his films (possibly City Slickers) about the thrill he had as a kid when the train emerged from the underground
and you could see the Stadium.
(I also believe it was the Jerome Ave. - Woodlawn train rather than the Pelham Bay line).
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Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
by John Grasso » Wed Sep 02, 2015 8:44 pm
"... (I also believe it was the Jerome Ave. - Woodlawn train rather than the Pelham Bay line)."
OUCH! You are 100% right, John. Jerome Avenue - Woodlawn it is - another of the IRT lines.
There is another minor correction to be made.
The post was part in reply to lucky's like for the "old" Yankee Stadium where the Giants played.
Well, that's it... but, the photo is likely 1961 and the field is set up for the Titans.
You can see the World Series banner beneath Old Glory and that was '61.
The Pirates beat the Yankees in 1960 when Bill Mazeroski hit his 9th inning HR in the 7th game.
It was the first World Series game in history without a Strike Out by either team.
"... (I also believe it was the Jerome Ave. - Woodlawn train rather than the Pelham Bay line)."
OUCH! You are 100% right, John. Jerome Avenue - Woodlawn it is - another of the IRT lines.
There is another minor correction to be made.
The post was part in reply to lucky's like for the "old" Yankee Stadium where the Giants played.
Well, that's it... but, the photo is likely 1961 and the field is set up for the Titans.
You can see the World Series banner beneath Old Glory and that was '61.
The Pirates beat the Yankees in 1960 when Bill Mazeroski hit his 9th inning HR in the 7th game.
It was the first World Series game in history without a Strike Out by either team.
"It was a different game when I played.
When a player made a good play, he didn't jump up and down.
Those kinds of plays were expected."
~ Arnie Weinmeister
When a player made a good play, he didn't jump up and down.
Those kinds of plays were expected."
~ Arnie Weinmeister
Re: What old stadiums do you miss?
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/mainframeco ... ndsMap.jpg
The shuttle was originally (1879) The New York City and Northern Railroad. In 1882 the Manhattan Railway (9th Avenue El) was also terminated at 155th Street, the NYC&N built a steam operated swing bridge to connect their terminus at High Bridge with 1655th Street. A connection would bring passengers (there was a train from Hartford with connections from Boston, also a branch to Yonkers from Van Cortland Park turn off) to a station on the west side at 33rd Street. The New Haven Railroad bought this line after turn of century and leased it to the New York Central. The Putnam Division. The Put. While the Yonkers division was eventually electrified, the Putnam from 155th (later from High Bridge) to Putnam and Carmel never was. It also was the only New York Central line which never entered Manhattan. One transferred at High Bridge for trains into Grand Central, or at 155th to the 9th Avenue El. In 1916 they cut back to High Bridge. In 1918 the shuttle began from 155th to Sedgwick Avenue (this station was partly extant in the area where they've put Yankee Stadium, partly under the Major Deegan. Not sure it is still there. There was a second station at Anderson-Jerome Avenue. In 1918 the Jerome Avenue IRT opened and this shuttle went up to 167th station. I've never seen a map where it would then go to 161st outside Yankee Stadium. The Putnam Division went south of High Bridge for the transfer at Sedgwick Avenue station shuttle to the El. The 9th Avenue El was abandoned in 1940 and soon after the Yonkers Division of the Putnam was abandoned. The Polo Grounds shuttle began in 1940 (the earlier shuttle also saw the El use the same route). When the baseball Giants skipped town and the Putnam Division ended passenger service in 1958, there was no longer a use for the shuttle. It ended and the bridge was removed. (the shuttle had connected to the IND.) (There is an amazing concourse mezzanine in that IND station at 155th, really wide stairs, many exits) (now mostly closed).
Giants v Bears 1934
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ ... s-1934.jpg
Shuttle outside Polo Grounds
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/266 ... 3bf6_o.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/past ... o13976.jpg
http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/uplo ... 2/map2.jpg
Cliff Battles scores for Redskins 12/5/1937
https://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com ... 5044_0.jpg
Here we see a staircase that came off the shuttle onto the Macomb Dam Bridge at 155th Street. Giulliani feasted on removing and demolishing this type of ancient remnant of transit, all around the city. This is a 1998 photo. But it was destroyed. A huge shame. Look at the detail and art. On these stairs fans came down to see Yale v Princeton in 1891 at Manhattan Field, a record crowd at the time, to see World Series from 1921 to 1954, to see the Giants of Ken Strong, Frank Gifford, to see young Willie Mays and young Mel Ott, old Johnny Mize, to see Christy Mathewson and Fat Freddie Fitzsimmons and Carl Hubbel,
http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/i ... g_8286.jpg
Here is where the shuttle joined the Jerome Avenue IRT line below 167th
http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/uplo ... river1.jpg
http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/i ... _57344.jpg
Note the train outside. This was the rail yards, the elevated yards, north of the Polo Grounds, before 1940:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/mainframeco ... adium2.jpg
Polo Grounds on the right
http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/i ... 141126.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/264 ... 5d58_o.jpg
The Polo Grounds, The Bathtub, was demolished 1964. Polo Grounds #4 was put up 1912. The 155th Street El terminus/New York & Northern terminal/exchange, went up when the Polo Grounds was still on the Vanderbilt estate just north of Central Park, on 5th Avenue, when it was a Polo Grounds. Near Suicide Curve of the 8th/9th Avenue El
Here is the Polo Grounds. The rail yards to the left, the 155th Street Station up at top right, the El to South Ferry to the right, and the steam swing bridge to High Bridge crossing the Harlem River. This was just before the 9th Avenue El was ripped up and the steel and iron sent to Japan...
http://www.baseballforum.com/attachment ... air-edited
I thought the pictures would show up here but only the links do. I am confused as to why... To show the images as attachments they have to be in your computer?
12/4/1938 Giants 36 Redskins 0
https://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com ... 4026_2.jpg
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthrea ... %29/page32
Here is 1899 Edison film of Suicide Curve on the 9th Avenue El, highest on the system. Used small steam locomotives, I think they ran on oil, not coal. This line was electrified in 1903. It was part of the Manhattan Elevated Railway Company. There were two different private railroads that ran the various Els.
https://youtu.be/x9XLGc7d0zA
The shuttle was originally (1879) The New York City and Northern Railroad. In 1882 the Manhattan Railway (9th Avenue El) was also terminated at 155th Street, the NYC&N built a steam operated swing bridge to connect their terminus at High Bridge with 1655th Street. A connection would bring passengers (there was a train from Hartford with connections from Boston, also a branch to Yonkers from Van Cortland Park turn off) to a station on the west side at 33rd Street. The New Haven Railroad bought this line after turn of century and leased it to the New York Central. The Putnam Division. The Put. While the Yonkers division was eventually electrified, the Putnam from 155th (later from High Bridge) to Putnam and Carmel never was. It also was the only New York Central line which never entered Manhattan. One transferred at High Bridge for trains into Grand Central, or at 155th to the 9th Avenue El. In 1916 they cut back to High Bridge. In 1918 the shuttle began from 155th to Sedgwick Avenue (this station was partly extant in the area where they've put Yankee Stadium, partly under the Major Deegan. Not sure it is still there. There was a second station at Anderson-Jerome Avenue. In 1918 the Jerome Avenue IRT opened and this shuttle went up to 167th station. I've never seen a map where it would then go to 161st outside Yankee Stadium. The Putnam Division went south of High Bridge for the transfer at Sedgwick Avenue station shuttle to the El. The 9th Avenue El was abandoned in 1940 and soon after the Yonkers Division of the Putnam was abandoned. The Polo Grounds shuttle began in 1940 (the earlier shuttle also saw the El use the same route). When the baseball Giants skipped town and the Putnam Division ended passenger service in 1958, there was no longer a use for the shuttle. It ended and the bridge was removed. (the shuttle had connected to the IND.) (There is an amazing concourse mezzanine in that IND station at 155th, really wide stairs, many exits) (now mostly closed).
Giants v Bears 1934
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_ ... s-1934.jpg
Shuttle outside Polo Grounds
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3276/266 ... 3bf6_o.jpg
http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceout.gif
http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/past ... o13976.jpg
http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/uplo ... 2/map2.jpg
Cliff Battles scores for Redskins 12/5/1937
https://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com ... 5044_0.jpg
Here we see a staircase that came off the shuttle onto the Macomb Dam Bridge at 155th Street. Giulliani feasted on removing and demolishing this type of ancient remnant of transit, all around the city. This is a 1998 photo. But it was destroyed. A huge shame. Look at the detail and art. On these stairs fans came down to see Yale v Princeton in 1891 at Manhattan Field, a record crowd at the time, to see World Series from 1921 to 1954, to see the Giants of Ken Strong, Frank Gifford, to see young Willie Mays and young Mel Ott, old Johnny Mize, to see Christy Mathewson and Fat Freddie Fitzsimmons and Carl Hubbel,
http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/i ... g_8286.jpg
Here is where the shuttle joined the Jerome Avenue IRT line below 167th
http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/uplo ... river1.jpg
http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/i ... _57344.jpg
Note the train outside. This was the rail yards, the elevated yards, north of the Polo Grounds, before 1940:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/mainframeco ... adium2.jpg
Polo Grounds on the right
http://nycsubway.org.s3.amazonaws.com/i ... 141126.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/264 ... 5d58_o.jpg
The Polo Grounds, The Bathtub, was demolished 1964. Polo Grounds #4 was put up 1912. The 155th Street El terminus/New York & Northern terminal/exchange, went up when the Polo Grounds was still on the Vanderbilt estate just north of Central Park, on 5th Avenue, when it was a Polo Grounds. Near Suicide Curve of the 8th/9th Avenue El
Here is the Polo Grounds. The rail yards to the left, the 155th Street Station up at top right, the El to South Ferry to the right, and the steam swing bridge to High Bridge crossing the Harlem River. This was just before the 9th Avenue El was ripped up and the steel and iron sent to Japan...
http://www.baseballforum.com/attachment ... air-edited
I thought the pictures would show up here but only the links do. I am confused as to why... To show the images as attachments they have to be in your computer?
12/4/1938 Giants 36 Redskins 0
https://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com ... 4026_2.jpg
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthrea ... %29/page32
Here is 1899 Edison film of Suicide Curve on the 9th Avenue El, highest on the system. Used small steam locomotives, I think they ran on oil, not coal. This line was electrified in 1903. It was part of the Manhattan Elevated Railway Company. There were two different private railroads that ran the various Els.
https://youtu.be/x9XLGc7d0zA