Bryan wrote:I don't understand the caveat of Young spending a major portion of his career as a backup is fine because he was backing up Montana...what if Young was forced to sit on the bench behind some terrible QB, like Scott Brunner or Frank Seuer? Would that somehow change reality of Young's accomplishments? Should we reconsider John Unitas' HOF worthiness because he was cut in favor of Jack Scarbath?
Reaser wrote:Now on my seasons-played stance, his being a backup doesn't take away his MVP's, or his 3 rings (
So Young definitely belongs in the current definition of 1st ballot HOFer, IMO. The standard simply isn't there.
No, you got it. It doesn't change the reality of his accomplishments. Just as 1955 doesn't take away from anything Unitas' did, or that he was Shaw's backup, or that the Colts won the NFL championship and their QB was NFL MVP and it wasn't Unitas, or the score in SB V when Unitas was knocked out and the final score with Morrall in, or being benched/replaced during his final years and so on. You can come up with "yeah, but" for most players, most don't have a clean sweep of accomplishments year after year (like Graham going to 10 league championships in 10 years). So it's not that it's "fine", it's that it doesn't take away from what he did. "he has 2 MVP's and 1 ring BUT he was a backup QB before that!" ... the but implies cancelling out or lessening 2 MVP's and 1 ring. My point was that it doesn't. 2 MVP's, [3] rings, period. AND he was TB's QB and Montana's backup during his career.
3 rings was nothing more than an accuracy correction. Since the thread was filled with "he has 1 ring", he has 3. I also said I get why people were saying "1 ring" because as starting QB he has one, but he definitely has 3 so it looks weird to say someone only has 1 ring when they literally have 3 rings. If others want to say that's twisted logic and that he does NOT have 3 rings, that's up to them.
Exactly on the 1st-ballot standard, which is why the debate is funny. Act like there is some great 1st-ballot standard and Steve Young ruined it. Not the case, at all.