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Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:59 am
by sluggermatt15
Rupert Patrick wrote:
Rupert Patrick wrote:I've been trying to figure out this Atlanta Philadelphia game, that the top-seeded Eagles are home underdogs to a number six seed, something we've never seen before. Reading this week's Peter King column, I am inclined to agree that Philly should go with their ground game against the Falcons, play ball control and keep the ball away from Ryan; in short, the same strategy that Bill Parcells did against the Bills in Super Bowl XXV. People seem to overlook the Eagles fourth-ranked defense, who were fourth in the league in turnovers, while Atlanta was 27th in turnovers. My gut says the Eagles should pull this out, but it will be close. 26-20 Eagles.

New England vs. Tennessee is the easiest game to pick this weekend. The Titans are a scrappy team, and I know the Patriots are not going to underestimate them, but it's going to be all New England. Make it 31-10.
I got the final point differences just about right - Eagles won by 5 and Pats won by 21.

The Eagles defense shut down Ryan today; I just don't know if they'll have enough offense to get past the Vikings defense, or if their defense can step up to an even higher level and shut down Brees and company. I doubt the Eagles will be the favorite against either of them next weekend, and for good reason, I just don't think the Eagles can beat either the Vikings or Saints at this point.

The Pats will be hard to beat next weekend.
On the Eagles/Falcons, it's interesting the Falcons handled Aaron Donald last week against the LAR, but had much difficulty shutting down Fletcher Cox. Have to give credit to Philadelphia, though, they were an underdog #1 seed at home. That's remarkable. Atlanta was on a roll, but the Eagles won the game in the second half. What makes you believe Philadelphia can't advance to the Super Bowl? Minnesota or New Orleans has to come to Philadelphia and play outside in the likely cold weather. Philadelphia has renewed its confidence and Nick Foles had an excellent second half to give himself confidence. Though the Eagles are lucky the game did not come down to Jake Elliott's missed extra point!

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:05 pm
by SixtiesFan
Rupert Patrick wrote:
rhickok1109 wrote:
7DnBrnc53 wrote: It's a different sport, but in the 90's, there were critics that said that the Bulls won in a watered-down era. The same can be said for the Patriots the last 16 years. They have played in a weak division that whole time. The Bills, Dolphins, and Jets have combined for about 18 different coaches and 40+ different starting QB's, and they are way below .500 against teams that finished the season with a winning record.

You combine that with the preferential treatment that they get from the league (they covered up Spygate for example), and you see why they are so successful.
Hmmm ... let's see ... they've gone 25-9 in the playoffs under Belichick. How many of those games were against teams with a losing record?
The two times they lost in the Super Bowl, they lost in the final minute of the game.. They held off The Greatest Show on Turf, they came back from a 28-3 deficit in the third quarter in another Super Bowl, and they stopped Russell Wilson with a goal-line interception in the final minute to hold onto a victory.

Their games against the Colts are the stuff of legend. Brady vs. Manning is in my opinion the NFL's greatest rivalry, on a par with Yankees vs. Dodgers, Bird vs. Magic, and Ali vs. Frazier. Their meetings were postseason classics, and the regular season games were key games that often decided home field advantage in the postseason, and they rarely failed to deliver. New England was 8-5 in games against Peyton Manning teams regular season (Colts 2001-10, Denver 2012-15), and they split the six postseason games.

How did New England fare against the better AFC teams of the Belichick era? New England from 2001-17 is 8-2 against Pittsburgh in the regular season and 3-0 in AFC Championship Games. Baltimore has been one of the stronger AFC teams from 2001-17; over that span, New England was 6-1 against them regular season, 2-2 postseason. Cincinnati has been generally a pretty decent team during the Marvin Lewis era (2003-17); during that era, New England has been 6-1 against the Bengals. Denver was a team who did well against New England even before Peyton Manning showed up there; from 2001-10 NE was 3-4 against the Broncos regular season, 1-1 postseason.

According to my math, the Patriots from 2001-17 were 37-22 regular season against AFC teams that would go on to make the postseason during that particular postseason, and 17-11 regular season against NFC teams that would go on to make the postseason during that season.
Well said. You don't win conference championship games and Super Bowls against weak teams.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:20 pm
by Rupert Patrick
Amazing finish to the Saints Vikings game. I don't think I've ever seen a "get out of bounds sideline pass to stop the clock for a last second field goal try" turn into a touchdown before. I think we've just seen the greatest play in Vikings franchise history.

EDIT - Kramer to Rashad has now been bumped down to number two on the list.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:22 pm
by Wendell02
WOW!! Ending of the Saints-Vikings game might be the most exciting thing I've seen in many a year!

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:39 pm
by Reaser
Bad quality football -which isn't surprising- but at least memorable things happened this weekend.

ATL-PHI came down to a 4th down pass in the endzone, JAX-PIT with horrible play-calling for PIT (could have scored 56 on the Jags defense) at least had PIT continuing to come back just enough to give false hope to Steelers fans, and then of course one of the all-time horrible defense plays gives the Vikings a miracle win. NE-TEN was what it was, they can't all be winners.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:35 pm
by JWL
I don't care if it was bad quality football or not, seeing Pitt lose at home was great fun.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:08 pm
by L.C. Greenwood
JWL wrote:I don't care if it was bad quality football or not, seeing Pitt lose at home was great fun.

The Jacksonville game was kind of similar to the Baltimore rout of New England in the January 2010 playoffs. The visiting Ravens jumped out to a 24-0 first quarter lead, on their way to an easy 33--14 victory. The Steelers will be back, Big Ben just confirmed he'll return for the 2018 season.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:12 am
by Rupert Patrick
L.C. Greenwood wrote:
JWL wrote:I don't care if it was bad quality football or not, seeing Pitt lose at home was great fun.

The Jacksonville game was kind of similar to the Baltimore rout of New England in the January 2010 playoffs. The visiting Ravens jumped out to a 24-0 first quarter lead, on their way to an easy 33--14 victory. The Steelers will be back, Big Ben just confirmed he'll return for the 2018 season.
I am happy to see him coming back. I think it is time the Steelers start looking for a successor to Roethlisberger that he can groom over the next year or two. The Steelers have a lot of gaps to fill, particularly on defense. The Ryan Shazier injury is a big blow to the team as he was a leader on defense, and it is good to see that he is recovering well from his injury.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:43 am
by Reaser
Wonder what the preseason odds would have been on the four conference championship QB's being Brady, Bortles, Foles and Keenum?

I know, based on my preseason predictions, I would have only been 1 for 4.

Re: 2017 NFL Playoffs

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:37 am
by bachslunch
Kind of interesting that three of the four teams left have never won a Super Bowl. If the Patriots lose to the Jaguars next week, somebody will break their shutout for sure.