You say anyone can write in a vote, so I could pick 50 players I see on that list of 182 and email the Pro Football Hall of Fame?Brian wolf wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11, 2024 4:09 pm The HOF just released a preliminary senior list for screening and cut-down to 50 players by the end of the month. Anyone can submit a write-in or email vote, which is encouraged and expected but you still have to wonder if the notation and filtering process is good enough? Is there, or are theyre, qualified historians who can make sure the best candidates are listed and not omitted from the process?
There were 183 senior candidates listed, but many have a snowballs' chance in hell of making the HOF and what's frustrating are the number of multiple All-Pros and accoladed players who didn't make the list. How are these players omitted?
Yes, players who helped contribute to championships or records have an advantage over great players on bad teams, but even some of those players were absent from this preliminary list.
It simply has to be taken more seriously than it is. We know subjectivity plays a role for fans, voters, historians and media alike but we are talking about a football league with over 100 years of history, not just the last 50.
Multiple All-Pro Senior Candidates Omitted From 2025 List
3 or more 1st Team AP designations excluding the AFL
Riley Matheson -- 5
Duane Putnam -- 3
Dick Huffman -- 3
Jim Ray Smith -- 3
Bill Forester -- 3
Marvin Powell -- 3
Bruno Banducci -- 3
Leon Gray -- 3
Ralph Neely -- 3
John Niland -- 3
Les Bingamin -- 3
Greg Lloyd* -- 3
Gene Brito -- 3
Jim Lachey -- 3
Forrest Blue -- 3
*Not sure if Lloyd is senior eligible
2 AP 1st Team designations excluding AFL
Jim Benton -- 2
LeRoy Irvin -- 2
Roy Green -- 2
Harlon Hill -- 2
Hanford Dixon -- 2
Herbert Scott -- 2
Cornell Green -- 2
Riley Odoms -- 2
Isaiah Robertson -- 2
Jim Katcavage -- 2
Charlie Johnson -- 2
Abe Woodson -- 2
Gary Johnson -- 2
Keith Millard -- 2
Gene Washington* -- 2
*Washington is listed as three designations but I feel was confused in 1969 by AP voting, by the Viking's Gene Washington who is also listed?
Many AFL players with 2 or more AP designations were not listed. Most of these players played prominent roles on teams that won or went to multiple championship games, including members of the Bills, Oilers, Chargers and Chiefs. I commend the AFL players that were listed.
Some players I listed might have made the list, I apologize as I tried to edit this post. John Turney and Pro Football Journal would have a more complete listing of multiple All-Pros from other sources --NEA, UPI, Sporting News etc ...
Choosing a Senior Preliminary List For The HOF
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Re: Choosing a Senior Preliminary List For The HOF
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heres my prelim list
1. Dick Anderson
2. Ken Anderson
3. Ed Budde
4. Maxie Baughan
5. Bill Bergey
6. Larry Brown (RB)
7. Joey Browner
8. Gary Collins
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Roger Craig
11. Nolan Cromwell
12. John David Crow
13. Lavern Dilweg
14. Boyd Dowler
15. Ox Emerson
16. Chuck Foreman
17. Bill Fralic
18. Larry Grantham
19. Dave Grayson
20. L.C.Greenwood
21. Pat Harder
22. Billy Howton
23. Cecil Isbell
24. Harold Jackson
25. Joe Jacoby
26. Billy “White Shoes Johnson
27. Mike Kenn
28. Bob Kuechenberg
29. George Kunz
30. Albert Lewis
31. Harvey Martin
32. Clay Matthews Jr
33. Eddie Meador
34. Stanley Morgan
35. Tommy Nobis
36. Bill Osmanski
37. Jimmy Patton
38. Lemar Parrish
39. Art Powell
40. Dick Schafrath
41. Sterling Sharpe
42. Jake Scott
43. Tom Sestak
44. Walt Sweeney
45. Del Shofner
46. Lionel Taylor
47. Otis Taylor
48. Everson Walls
49. Al Wistert
50. Louis Wright
1. Dick Anderson
2. Ken Anderson
3. Ed Budde
4. Maxie Baughan
5. Bill Bergey
6. Larry Brown (RB)
7. Joey Browner
8. Gary Collins
9. Charlie Conerly
10. Roger Craig
11. Nolan Cromwell
12. John David Crow
13. Lavern Dilweg
14. Boyd Dowler
15. Ox Emerson
16. Chuck Foreman
17. Bill Fralic
18. Larry Grantham
19. Dave Grayson
20. L.C.Greenwood
21. Pat Harder
22. Billy Howton
23. Cecil Isbell
24. Harold Jackson
25. Joe Jacoby
26. Billy “White Shoes Johnson
27. Mike Kenn
28. Bob Kuechenberg
29. George Kunz
30. Albert Lewis
31. Harvey Martin
32. Clay Matthews Jr
33. Eddie Meador
34. Stanley Morgan
35. Tommy Nobis
36. Bill Osmanski
37. Jimmy Patton
38. Lemar Parrish
39. Art Powell
40. Dick Schafrath
41. Sterling Sharpe
42. Jake Scott
43. Tom Sestak
44. Walt Sweeney
45. Del Shofner
46. Lionel Taylor
47. Otis Taylor
48. Everson Walls
49. Al Wistert
50. Louis Wright
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Re: Choosing a Senior Preliminary List For The HOF
I'm all for #s...
1,2,4,10,13,24,37,43,45,47,49
1,2,4,10,13,24,37,43,45,47,49
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Re: Choosing a Senior Preliminary List For The HOF
Neely and Schafrath made it, though they will be eliminated next cut due to the queue being set. We will see if anyone new breaks thru for the final 25-30? Still surprised Ameche got this far. Andy Russell as well. Why not Jake Scott ?
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I wouldn't necessarily say the the queue is set yes some players from last year's list will be on there and perhaps we see some new players on the listBrian wolf wrote: ↑Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:45 am Neely and Schafrath made it, though they will be eliminated next cut due to the queue being set. We will see if anyone new breaks thru for the final 25-30? Still surprised Ameche got this far. Andy Russell as well. Why not Jake Scott ?