The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby RyanChristiansen » Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:57 pm

Brian wolf wrote:Namath the most famous but also Norm Van Brocklin, who coach George Halas thought ran like a girl ... haha


That explains a lot! No wonder Van Brocklin didn't like Tarkenton scrambling.
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby SixtiesFan » Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:41 pm

RyanChristiansen wrote:
Brian wolf wrote:Namath the most famous but also Norm Van Brocklin, who coach George Halas thought ran like a girl ... haha


That explains a lot! No wonder Van Brocklin didn't like Tarkenton scrambling.


Norm Van Brocklin was known as a great passing QB who couldn't run. He retired as a player and went straight into a head coaching job in Minnesota. In a great irony Van Brocklin had Fran Tarkenton for his QB.
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby racepug » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:06 am

My understanding is that Fran Tarkenton didn't run around to annoy Norm van Brocklin. He ran around out of necessity!
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby Brian wolf » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:24 am

With players Tarkenton, Flatley, Mason, Brown and Phillips the Vikings had an exciting offense under Van Brocklin but he just couldnt build a defense. With Atlanta, he never had a QB and his coaching career ended by 1974. A salty SOB, he was a great thrower and underrated player who was the first NFL QB to win seperate championship games with different teams, followed by Peyton Manning and Brady.
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby Brian wolf » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:27 am

Had Brocklin coached the Eagles, like he had been promised after the 1960 championship season, QB Jurgensen might have won a championship himself but who knows ?
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby Eagles One » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:00 pm

Brian wolf wrote:Namath the most famous but also Norm Van Brocklin, who coach George Halas thought ran like a girl ... haha



Halas would have probably won a few more titles if he had Van Brocklin at the helm. Other than Luckman and Billy Wade for a few seasons, he did not exactly produce a string of very good quarterbacks.
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby Jamie Johnson » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:00 am

Eagles One wrote:
Brian wolf wrote:Namath the most famous but also Norm Van Brocklin, who coach George Halas thought ran like a girl ... haha



Halas would have probably won a few more titles if he had Van Brocklin at the helm. Other than Luckman and Billy Wade for a few seasons, he did not exactly produce a string of very good quarterbacks.


Not taking anything away from the Dutchman, but Halas wouldn't have needed him for more titles. All Halas had to do was hold on to Bobby Layne, who should have been the heir apparent to Luckman. Chicago easily wins a few championships in the 50's with Layne under center.
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby Eagles One » Mon Apr 26, 2021 10:56 am

Jamie Johnson wrote:
Eagles One wrote:
Brian wolf wrote:Namath the most famous but also Norm Van Brocklin, who coach George Halas thought ran like a girl ... haha



Halas would have probably won a few more titles if he had Van Brocklin at the helm. Other than Luckman and Billy Wade for a few seasons, he did not exactly produce a string of very good quarterbacks.


Not taking anything away from the Dutchman, but Halas wouldn't have needed him for more titles. All Halas had to do was hold on to Bobby Layne, who should have been the heir apparent to Luckman. Chicago easily wins a few championships in the 50's with Layne under center.



My point was Halas had no room to be making fun of Van Brocklin when he did not have a great history of choosing quarterbacks. You kind of proved my point with him letting Layne go. Van Brocklin is the only quarterback who beat Lombardi in a title game. Bobby Layne cannot say that.
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby Brian wolf » Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:33 am

Halas had passers in Ed Brown and Blanda but didnt favor either probably because they couldnt run when needed.
He liked Concannon and Carter but they were limited throwers, though Carter played well for Walsh with the Bengals ... Douglas though may have been the worst thrower I have seen ...
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Re: The best immobile(?) quarterbacks

Postby rhickok1109 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:41 pm

RyanChristiansen wrote:Based on some of the discussion, I've modified the query. Here is a list of quarterbacks who, during their first five seasons, averaged 200 or more yards passing per game with an interception percentage of 5% or less while rushing 2 times or less per game. In other words, these might be either the most calm, cool, and collected quarterbacks during their first five seasons, or they had the best offensive lines during those seasons, or both.

Wow! Mark Bulger tops the list. During the seasons 2002-2006, he had a 36-24-0 record with the St. Louis Rams.

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I thought Bulger was a better passer and QB than Warner.
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