Slater and Speedie

Slater and Speedie

Postby RyanChristiansen » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:52 pm

Slater and Speedie are in. Now would be the time for the PFRA to issue a press release about the fact the PFRA has been advocating them for the HOF for a while now. Your thoughts?

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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby sheajets » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Both are Hall of Famers in my book. Speedie especially...short career but not really his fault due to the war that he got started at 26. Dominant receiver on a championship franchise. Perhaps it was Paul Browns vengefulness that kept him out of the hall initially. Once Brown passed Speedie at that point had simply faded into the forgotten oldie category sadly.

Slater is a no brainer. Just a tremendous player who made other significant contributions. Another guy that time forgot until now
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby bachslunch » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:23 pm

Not much to celebrate today, but that's at least one bright spot. Might as well make stone soup out of gravel.
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby Teo » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:34 pm

sheajets wrote:Both are Hall of Famers in my book. Speedie especially...short career but not really his fault due to the war that he got started at 26. Dominant receiver on a championship franchise. Perhaps it was Paul Browns vengefulness that kept him out of the hall initially. Once Brown passed Speedie at that point had simply faded into the forgotten oldie category sadly.


You have to add the fact that Speedie went to Canada for his final three pro seasons (he led the CFL in receiving TDs in 1953). Buit I do remember a 1981 or 1982 Street@Smith magazine, when they commented about great receiving duos, and Dub Jones and Mac Spedie were mentioned, and they posted a photo of each of them (interesting they didn't put a photo of Hall of Famer Dante Lavelli). Other duos I recall were Hirsch and Fears, ansd Swann and Stallworth (they were both active at the time).
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby JohnH19 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:00 am

How does Harold Carmichael get selected over Drew Pearson and Cliff Branch? Too many Cowboys and Raiders in the Hall already?
I don't know much about Ed Sprinkle, other than his reputation, but is he a deserving selection?
Very happy to see Alex Karras and Steve Sabol elected.
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby Andy Piascik » Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:02 am

How does Harold Carmichael get selected over Drew Pearson and Cliff Branch? Too many Cowboys and Raiders in the Hall already?
I don't know much about Ed Sprinkle, other than his reputation, but is he a deserving selection?
Very happy to see Alex Karras and Steve Sabol elected.


As has been discussed elsewhere on this board, although there isn't unanimity, Carmichael was a terrible choice, especially given who else was on the list of 20 that they could have chosen. Ditto Sprinkle. And Covert. And Hill.

Don't think there are "too many" Cowboys given all the success they had for three decades beginning in 1966, and I say that as someone who never liked them. I wasn't big on Harris but I'm okay with him. Not big on Pearson, either, but he's certainly more deserving than Carmichael. He'll probably get in eventually especially since people will now endlessly beat the "He's the only guy from the all-1970s team who isn't in" drum. Wasn't big on Bob Hayes getting in but there are definitely worse.

Then there's Howley, who's more deserving than all of the above, most of those who went in today and a whole lot of others already in.

Just out of curiosity, who are the Cowboys you think shouldn't be in? Unless I'm missing somebody, there are eight in from the Landry era, not counting Ditka, Alworth and all the others they picked up in the early 1970s who did their thing with other teams: Lilly, Staubach, Hayes, Renfro, Harris, Dorsett, Rayfield Wright and Randy White. And they don't all overlap. I think the most they had at any one time was five (again, excluding all those early 1970s guys).

Are you talking more about guys from the 1990s and later?

Now, as far as too many Raiders (and Packers and Steelers), I agree. But that's another story.
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby Ken Crippen » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:01 am

RyanChristiansen wrote:Slater and Speedie are in. Now would be the time for the PFRA to issue a press release about the fact the PFRA has been advocating them for the HOF for a while now. Your thoughts?

https://www.profootballhof.com/centennial-slate-for-class-of-2020-revealed/?idevd=190C8B36284E11E29C9BBDBB6188709B&idevm=18d89ccf73744e7e967cf984491190fe&idevmid=2484491&utm_source=idevmail+non-store&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1.15.20



We are working on the press release as we speak.
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby JohnH19 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:52 am

Andy Piascik wrote:
How does Harold Carmichael get selected over Drew Pearson and Cliff Branch? Too many Cowboys and Raiders in the Hall already?
I don't know much about Ed Sprinkle, other than his reputation, but is he a deserving selection?
Very happy to see Alex Karras and Steve Sabol elected.


As has been discussed elsewhere on this board, although there isn't unanimity, Carmichael was a terrible choice, especially given who else was on the list of 20 that they could have chosen. Ditto Sprinkle. And Covert. And Hill.

Don't think there are "too many" Cowboys given all the success they had for three decades beginning in 1966, and I say that as someone who never liked them. I wasn't big on Harris but I'm okay with him. Not big on Pearson, either, but he's certainly more deserving than Carmichael. He'll probably get in eventually especially since people will now endlessly beat the "He's the only guy from the all-1970s team who isn't in" drum. Wasn't big on Bob Hayes getting in but there are definitely worse.

Then there's Howley, who's more deserving than all of the above, most of those who went in today and a whole lot of others already in.

Just out of curiosity, who are the Cowboys you think shouldn't be in? Unless I'm missing somebody, there are eight in from the Landry era, not counting Ditka, Alworth and all the others they picked up in the early 1970s who did their thing with other teams: Lilly, Staubach, Hayes, Renfro, Harris, Dorsett, Rayfield Wright and Randy White. And they don't all overlap. I think the most they had at any one time was five (again, excluding all those early 1970s guys).

Are you talking more about guys from the 1990s and later?

Now, as far as too many Raiders (and Packers and Steelers), I agree. But that's another story.


I don’t think there are too many Cowboys in the Hall. I was only speculating as to a possible reason why Carmichael was selected over Pearson.
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby rhickok1109 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:58 am

Andy Piascik wrote:
How does Harold Carmichael get selected over Drew Pearson and Cliff Branch? Too many Cowboys and Raiders in the Hall already?
I don't know much about Ed Sprinkle, other than his reputation, but is he a deserving selection?
Very happy to see Alex Karras and Steve Sabol elected.


As has been discussed elsewhere on this board, although there isn't unanimity, Carmichael was a terrible choice, especially given who else was on the list of 20 that they could have chosen. Ditto Sprinkle. And Covert. And Hill.

Don't think there are "too many" Cowboys given all the success they had for three decades beginning in 1966, and I say that as someone who never liked them. I wasn't big on Harris but I'm okay with him. Not big on Pearson, either, but he's certainly more deserving than Carmichael. He'll probably get in eventually especially since people will now endlessly beat the "He's the only guy from the all-1970s team who isn't in" drum. Wasn't big on Bob Hayes getting in but there are definitely worse.

Then there's Howley, who's more deserving than all of the above, most of those who went in today and a whole lot of others already in.

Just out of curiosity, who are the Cowboys you think shouldn't be in? Unless I'm missing somebody, there are eight in from the Landry era, not counting Ditka, Alworth and all the others they picked up in the early 1970s who did their thing with other teams: Lilly, Staubach, Hayes, Renfro, Harris, Dorsett, Rayfield Wright and Randy White. And they don't all overlap. I think the most they had at any one time was five (again, excluding all those early 1970s guys).

Are you talking more about guys from the 1990s and later?

Now, as far as too many Raiders (and Packers and Steelers), I agree. But that's another story.

As a Packer fan, I wonder why you think there are too many Packers and which ones you would remove. After all, the Packers have been in the NFL a lot longer than most teams and they've won more championships than any other team. Eight of the Packer inductees were active well before most current NFL teams even existed.

In 60 seasons, the Cowboys have won 5 championships and have 17 HOF members (also not counting players who joined the team late in their careers). In 100 seasons, the Packers have won 13 championships and have 25 HOF members. I don't that's at all disproportionate.
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Re: Slater and Speedie

Postby Shipley » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:29 pm

There's no way Jim Covert should be in over Joe Jacoby. Same with Harold Carmichael over Cliff Branch.
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