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Was Charles Martin's hit on McMahon the most impactful dirty hit of all-time? In other words, did that hit alter the Super Bowl winner by knocking McMahon out for the season?

And if so, does Martin deserve a place on this "hit list" over Chuck Cecil in Packers infamy?

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/thi ... ory-102016

And let's not forget a dishonorable mention for the entire 2009 (-'11) New Orleans Saints defense for their "head-hunting" ways in the scandal commonly known as "Bountygate."
I'm still not sure why they let Gregg Williams back in the league...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orlea ... ty_scandal

In the 1962 championship game, Sam Huff was accused of delivering some cheap shots on Jim Taylor. Ironically, the next season, Taylor was criticized by Wally Lemm after a game with the Cardinals for supposedly kicking his players. Not surprisingly, the implication that Taylor was a dirty player caused Lombardi to trash Lemm, who gave the usual "I was misquoted" excuse.

Speaking of Sam Huff, I read someplace that Huff treated Giants Head Coach Allie Sherman to a tirade after the Giants championship game loss to the Chicago Bears in 1963, blaming Sherman for the loss. That might help explain Sam Huff's trade to Washington after the 1963 season. Anyone know anything about that?

Evan wrote:Was Charles Martin's hit on McMahon the most impactful dirty hit of all-time? In other words, did that hit alter the Super Bowl winner by knocking McMahon out for the season?

And if so, does Martin deserve a place on this "hit list" over Chuck Cecil in Packers infamy?

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/thi ... ory-102016

Since Martin developed the original "hit list", he needs to be on the list!

Its definitely possible the Bears win the Super Bowl in 86 with McMahon, but its also possible that McMahon gets injured at some subsequent point in 1986 or that the Bears lose to the Redskins with a healthy McMahon in the 86 playoffs (like they did in 87).

I think a more impactful dirty hit was Ed Meadows taking out Bobby Layne early in the 1956 regular season finale. The Bears had lost big to Layne and the Lions two weeks prior, Layne was first team all pro (somehow) in 1956...there are a few assumptions needing to be made...that the Lions beat the Bears with a healthy Layne in the season finale, the Lions then beat the Giants in the 1956 title game...but what if the Lions had won the 1956 championship?

*Lions win 4 titles in the decade including 3 over the Browns...does that give them "team of the decade" honors? Does it lessen Paul Brown/Cleveland Browns' legacy?

*Without the 1956 title, the Giants would have lost titles in 56, 58, 59, 61, 62, 63 with nary a win. Do we still get 15 books about those 56-63 Giants players?

*Do Landry and Lombardi get their HC jobs?

*Does Frank Gifford announce on Monday Night Football?

*Does Pat Summerall announce with John Madden?

*Finally, and most importantly, does Pat Summerall do voice work for Golden Tee?

Dennis Thurman for Dallas?

Eagles One wrote:Dennis Thurman for Dallas?

The man Frank Gifford called Thurman Munson--seven weeks after Munson had been killed in a plane crash.

Eagles One wrote:Dennis Thurman for Dallas?

One late hit on Carmichael doesn't make him a thug. Snapped the streak, though.

Bryan wrote:

Evan wrote:Was Charles Martin's hit on McMahon the most impactful dirty hit of all-time? In other words, did that hit alter the Super Bowl winner by knocking McMahon out for the season?

And if so, does Martin deserve a place on this "hit list" over Chuck Cecil in Packers infamy?

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/thi ... ory-102016

Since Martin developed the original "hit list", he needs to be on the list!

Its definitely possible the Bears win the Super Bowl in 86 with McMahon, but its also possible that McMahon gets injured at some subsequent point in 1986 or that the Bears lose to the Redskins with a healthy McMahon in the 86 playoffs (like they did in 87).

I think a more impactful dirty hit was Ed Meadows taking out Bobby Layne early in the 1956 regular season finale. The Bears had lost big to Layne and the Lions two weeks prior, Layne was first team all pro (somehow) in 1956...there are a few assumptions needing to be made...that the Lions beat the Bears with a healthy Layne in the season finale, the Lions then beat the Giants in the 1956 title game...but what if the Lions had won the 1956 championship?

*Lions win 4 titles in the decade including 3 over the Browns...does that give them "team of the decade" honors? Does it lessen Paul Brown/Cleveland Browns' legacy?

*Without the 1956 title, the Giants would have lost titles in 56, 58, 59, 61, 62, 63 with nary a win. Do we still get 15 books about those 56-63 Giants players?

*Do Landry and Lombardi get their HC jobs?

*Does Frank Gifford announce on Monday Night Football?

*Does Pat Summerall announce with John Madden?

*Finally, and most importantly, does Pat Summerall do voice work for Golden Tee?

There was a thread about this a few months back. I believe the general consensus was that Chicago would have won even if Layne had stayed in. The Bears dominated the LOS on both sides of the ball and backup QB Harry Gilmer actually had decent numbers that day. Of course, you can't quantify Layne's leadership abilities and inspiration for his teammates.

Bryan wrote:

Evan wrote:Was Charles Martin's hit on McMahon the most impactful dirty hit of all-time? In other words, did that hit alter the Super Bowl winner by knocking McMahon out for the season?

And if so, does Martin deserve a place on this "hit list" over Chuck Cecil in Packers infamy?

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/thi ... ory-102016

Since Martin developed the original "hit list", he needs to be on the list!

Its definitely possible the Bears win the Super Bowl in 86 with McMahon, but its also possible that McMahon gets injured at some subsequent point in 1986 or that the Bears lose to the Redskins with a healthy McMahon in the 86 playoffs (like they did in 87).

I think a more impactful dirty hit was Ed Meadows taking out Bobby Layne early in the 1956 regular season finale. The Bears had lost big to Layne and the Lions two weeks prior, Layne was first team all pro (somehow) in 1956...there are a few assumptions needing to be made...that the Lions beat the Bears with a healthy Layne in the season finale, the Lions then beat the Giants in the 1956 title game...but what if the Lions had won the 1956 championship?

*Lions win 4 titles in the decade including 3 over the Browns...does that give them "team of the decade" honors? Does it lessen Paul Brown/Cleveland Browns' legacy?

*Without the 1956 title, the Giants would have lost titles in 56, 58, 59, 61, 62, 63 with nary a win. Do we still get 15 books about those 56-63 Giants players?

*Do Landry and Lombardi get their HC jobs?

*Does Frank Gifford announce on Monday Night Football?

*Does Pat Summerall announce with John Madden?

*Finally, and most importantly, does Pat Summerall do voice work for Golden Tee?

I think we still get the "15 books about those 56-63 Giants players." The 1956 title game they won never has been played up that big. I think Landry and Lombardi would still have done what they did, as would Gifford and Summerall.