1965 NFL Draft question
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:10 pm
How did the Chicago Bears end up with the #3 and #4 picks in the first round?
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I don't think that the first one is accurate.lietzaro24 wrote:https://www.prosportstransactions.com/f ... s/1965.htm
I would have to assume that this is accurate...
The Bears '64 2nd and '64 4th went to the Steelers for the Steelers #1 in 1965 and that ended up being the 3rd pick in the draft since Pittsburgh finished '64 with a 5-9 record.
The #4 pick belonged to the Bears due to a 5-9 campaign in 1964. Chicago also acquired the 6th pick in the first round from Washington for a couple of players in order to draft Steve DeLong, who would sign with the AFL's Chargers instead.
In a 1981 book George Allen said that in addition to being the Bears' defensive coach, he was in charge of player-personnel, drafting players and trades.Jay Z wrote:I don't think that the first one is accurate.lietzaro24 wrote:https://www.prosportstransactions.com/f ... s/1965.htm
I would have to assume that this is accurate...
The Bears '64 2nd and '64 4th went to the Steelers for the Steelers #1 in 1965 and that ended up being the 3rd pick in the draft since Pittsburgh finished '64 with a 5-9 record.
The #4 pick belonged to the Bears due to a 5-9 campaign in 1964. Chicago also acquired the 6th pick in the first round from Washington for a couple of players in order to draft Steve DeLong, who would sign with the AFL's Chargers instead.
The #4 pick they have listed as going to the Steelers was the Steelers' own pick. They have that going to the Bears in an earlier trade for Harlon Hill, then returning in this supposed draft day trade.
Those sorts of draft choice only trades basically never happened at that time. Plus the Bears were among the worst teams at announcing any sort of transactions. So it's something that would be difficult to find in the press.
Complicating the issue is the fact that there were many trades between the Steelers and Bears. It was very rare at the time to announce which particular draft choice was traded. It was usually just a "draft choice." If there are few trades between two teams, it's usually not a problem to figure out why the draft choice went from one team to another. Not the case with the Steelers and Bears.
That particular #1 pick has been discussed before. At the time, it seemed to be a trade for backup tight end Chuck Logan. Which seems like an overpay, certainly, even back then.
If someone else has any links or anything that would actually confirm this, I'd be glad to see it.
OK, I looked in the Bears media guide. I will retract my earlier statement. Apparently they did actually make that draft day trade.SixtiesFan wrote: In a 1981 book George Allen said that in addition to being the Bears' defensive coach, he was in charge of player-personnel, drafting players and trades.
Allen was ironically trading with Buddy Parker, who essentially used Allen's "Future is now" approach before AllenJay Z wrote:OK, I looked in the Bears media guide. I will retract my earlier statement. Apparently they did actually make that draft day trade.SixtiesFan wrote: In a 1981 book George Allen said that in addition to being the Bears' defensive coach, he was in charge of player-personnel, drafting players and trades.
Yeah, those Bears Steelers trades have all of the earmarks of George Allen. Three separate times, the same pick was traded to one team in one trade, then returned in a second trade. Yeesh.
There were actually more HOFers drafted in 1964 (10 - I am not counting Parcells) than 1965 (5.) Dave Wilcox was drafted the next pick after the Steelers picked Jim Kelly. Butkus for Wilcox and McGee, I think the Steelers win that one.JohnTurney wrote:https://nflfootballjournal.blogspot.com ... -time.html
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Browns got two of them, one not so surprising (Paul Warfield) and one surprising (Leroy Kelly)Jay Z wrote:There were actually more HOFers drafted in 1964 (10 - I am not counting Parcells) than 1965 (5.) Dave Wilcox was drafted the next pick after the Steelers picked Jim Kelly. Butkus for Wilcox and McGee, I think the Steelers win that one.